Harmony at Home: Tools to Transform Your Communication

Makena: Hello, everyone.

Gigi: Hello, so happy to be back.

Makena: Welcome back. We are happy to be here. We were just reflecting—it’s been a week since I got home from our retreat in Sonoma? And Gigi just got home a few days ago. I finally unpacked two days ago.

Gigi: Yeah, I’m still unpacking. It takes a while, but I was gone a couple of weeks because I went to see the grandbabies before I came home, which was awesome.

Makena: Same here. It was a super fun September. I can’t believe we’re already getting into October. I just decorated my house with fall pumpkins, wreaths, and all the things. 

Gigi: Yeah, that’s your time of year, right?

Makena: I love this time of year—my favorite season—and of course, the holidays, which I’m obsessed with.

Today, we are going to talk about growing love, which is a topic you, Gigi, are incredibly brilliant and gifted at. I’m so excited to share this with our audience.

Gigi: Yes, I’m excited too. This is probably my passion in life. It’s how I spent a huge part of my career. 

It was also one of the key themes in the Sonoma retreat we recently did. We worked a lot around communication and assist. We did many role plays and explored different scenarios in their relationships—romantic relationships, as well as with their children or their bosses.

This kind of work is really, sometimes, I think, some of the most important work in the world. But of course, that’s because I love doing it.

Makena: Yes, but really, this is where we see a lot of the big breakthroughs. Of course, the women experience breakthroughs in so many areas—clarity, their businesses, everything—but this is an area that often gets left untouched when people are doing personal growth work or focusing on their businesses. The personal aspect tends to get pushed to the side.

When we work with people holistically and address the different areas, like we did in our retreat, all of this comes up. The relationship aspect comes up—whether it’s with their kids, their partners, or in their work. We really saw some big breakthroughs with the women around this topic.

Gigi: Yes, and I always say, I think people just don’t know what to do—that’s the problem. From all of my years, which we’ll talk about in a minute, I’ve spent three to four decades researching, studying, and practicing this. When you know what to do, it makes a huge difference in terms of plugging up those leaks when it comes to breakdowns in communication, which affect everything.

Makena: We have a WhatsApp chat from the retreat, and a lot of the women have been sharing what has changed in various areas, right? Not just in their relationships, but I wanted to just touch on a couple of the shares and stories that we have heard without sharing any names.

Gigi: It’s so fun!

Makena: It’s been so fun to hear their celebrations since returning home. 

One woman said, “I have been practicing with my husband, and in turn, he’s been doing the same.”

Which we find often happens—the other partner starts to reflect whatever you’re doing. 

She said, “I feel like something has awoken in me, and we have been able to connect on a deeper level.”

Gigi: That’s so nice.

Makena: Another woman said, “I used the tools half a dozen times already—this was like two days after the retreat—at work and with my son. It was such a different outcome than I’ve had before. My interactions were so positive today. This will stick with me for life. I feel it.”

Another woman said, “With my kids, the skills we practiced are working so well. I feel more deeply connected and full of joy and gratitude for having all these wonderful people in my life.” 

And another one said, “I am off this weekend with my beloved husband on a romantic staycation at our favorite boutique hotel. It was initiated by him, and I am feeling so loved.”

And finally, “Today is my first full day back home. I wanted to say that I feel energized and passionate. I have paused, acknowledged, and connected with my son and my husband. Thank you so much for giving us tools and keeping me on track and focused.”

So, we’re going to talk about one of those tools, one of those skills that she mentioned today. 

But first, I want to talk about what set the stage for these breakthroughs. 

Gigi, let’s start by getting into your background in relationship and communication work, because it’s something we’ve touched on in the show, but I don’t think we’ve gone so deep into your history with this line of work specifically.

So, tell me a little bit about how this all started, and how you got into teaching about relationships and communication.

Gigi: Yeah, it’s funny because this was such a big part of my life and work, especially in Europe, where I had a lot of my fame, and the majority of my career has been based there. 

A lot of people don’t know that this was what I did for a long time. I’ll give you the short version.

I started in my early days, really diving into personal development and leading workshops. My mentor saw early on that I had a gift for and curiosity about the communication between men and women. I always wanted to make sure everything was fair. 

So, he said, “Since you have such a passion here, you really should get out and start working with women.” He told me to put together a workshop, go out, and just see what women need, what they want, and what’s going on in their communication with men. Through that, I could start creating something to support them. 

So, I did that. My first workshop was called How to Train Your Man, and it was held in Maui, Hawaii. In that workshop, I had the opportunity to work with women to see what they were longing for in relationships, what their challenges were, and what part they were playing in destroying their relationships. They had certain shadows that were pushing their partners away, and we explored what they craved, what they needed, and how they needed to take care of themselves.

From there, I developed a body of work that I taught and traveled with for about 15 years, consistently in Europe, internationally, and in other areas, including Singapore. That eventually evolved into a workshop called “Power Connections,” which I taught for many years. I became known as “The Man Whisperer” in Europe for many years.

And what happened was this: through teaching, and especially teaching workshops for so many years, I started to build a following. I received a lot of press, and many people in Europe began to reach out to me because the ideas I was presenting were very new compared to anything else out there.

Fast forward, I got the opportunity to work with a German woman to write a book I had been working on for years about communication. It got published in Germany. She went out, got three offers, and the book was published in German. I couldn’t even read it for the first couple of years until I had it translated into English.

Makena: She took your work, basically worked with you, and wrote it in German?

Gigi: Yes, she wrote it in German. She interviewed me, we spent many hours together, and she recorded me. She also added statistics and background information. When I finally got the book translated into English, I noticed that some things didn’t quite match how I would have said them. But it was available online for many years as eBooks.

Through this work on relationships, I saw an opportunity to bring it into companies. I had clients who had worked with me, and one particular company was having big issues with women advancing. It was a predominantly male company, and the women were blaming their bosses. They had a focus group and ended up bringing me in to work with the top 80 executive women on this issue.

The funny thing is, I took my “How to Train Your Man” workshop, renamed it “Power Connections”, and brought it into the company. This was unheard of because they had never done anything like it before—they had never self-reflected. 

Any other workshop they had done was based on reading a book and doing small exercises. This was hugely transformational, and it made a significant impact. The women started advancing rapidly.

Afterward, I had trainers who worked with me, and we brought this work into different companies. I went to JPMorgan Chase in New York and gave speeches around the U.S. for their company, as well as many other areas.

Makena: Well, your books were published in, I think, six countries in Europe?

Gigi: My books were published in seven or eight countries and five languages, because they were published in the German-speaking regions, which included Switzerland and Germany. 

Then, opportunity after opportunity came to me. 

I was featured in articles in Switzerland, Germany, and a lot in the Netherlands. 

I even worked on a production deal for a television show called “The Man Whisperer”. It didn’t get sold in the end, but I signed a production deal and everything. I also did work around power couples. 

This is the heart and soul of what I know, as you know, and I have a certain gift in this area, but that gift was very much developed because of the skills I’ve honed throughout my life and career. 

I went away from being a relationship coach because I’m so much more than that. I help people with their businesses and every aspect of their lives.

But I find that this foundational piece is truly one of the most important things. When there are breakdowns in communication in business, marriages, or with children, the cost of those breakdowns is significant. It affects business relationships and much more.

We’ve seen this, Makena. Maybe you can share a couple of examples, but we see it all the time. 

This particular topic is simple in many ways, but most people have no idea what to do. 

That’s why we break it down and make it super simple, though it can be complex in the sense that it takes time to learn, practice, and relearn.

Makena: Yes, absolutely. I just want to say that this has been one of the most impactful things I’ve learned from you over the years. Of course, I was raised around these skills and tools, but also through mentoring with you and you guiding me in my process—life, and in my relationship.

Sunny, my husband—we’ve been together almost nine years now in just a couple of months—truly credits you with the quality of our communication and relationship. He says that the depth of communication we have is, of course, cultivated from our own connection, but also very much from the tools that I’ve learned from you and that he’s learned from you, and from watching me apply them over the years.

I really want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for that because it’s truly the best thing in my entire life. 

I’m always so excited to share this information, these skills, and tools with other people because it feels like this secret, amazing thing. 

As you said, it’s not even that complex. It’s just that people don’t know.

I watch reality TV sometimes, not often, but when I do—the dating shows, or whatever they’re called—I can’t remember what it’s called… the one where they, uh, “Love Is Blind”, yeah, something like that. 

So, I’ll watch those, and then I watch them get to the part where they actually meet each other, and they’re together, and I’m just like, “Oh my gosh,” with my hand over my eyes. I’m thinking, “If they just had a couple of tools, if they had a few skills, it would be such a different experience.”

It really is so powerful. I believe, and I know you do, too, that everyone deserves to have deep, loving, and connected relationships.

Gigi: Yeah, absolutely. One of my missions is transforming conflict into harmony—whether in business, families, or relationships. This creates a ripple effect of prosperity and peace.

You know, I think in my later years, that’s something I really want to focus on—how do we take these types of tools and not only let them support families, relationships, and businesses, but also entire countries? 

I’m looking at the bigger mission here.

Makena: And I did want to touch on something for those of you listening. We do have a mostly women audience, but we might have others listening too. 

So, just know that anyone can really benefit from what we’re sharing here. 

However, we are usually going to talk as if we are speaking to women in relationships with men, because that is the majority of our audience. But you can use these skills in same-sex partnerships, and as we’ve said, outside of romantic relationships as well—with your kids, your boss, your coworkers, whoever. So just keep that in mind as we share today.

Gigi, before we go into a couple of the things on our outline, I did want to touch on one or two things from your story. 

One of them is, “How to Train Your Man”. 

When people hear that name, they’re probably thinking, “Oh my God, What? That’s a little politically incorrect.”

Gigi: Right, my first workshop was in 1987, so it was a very different time. 

Makena: But what do you mean by that? How to Train Your Man? I’m sure the women are thinking, “What?”

Gigi: Well, the secret is that I really focus on women. What I mean by that is helping women see what they truly want—knowing what they want and how to ask for it in a way that men can win and support them, not just get it for them. You both have to work at getting it, but in a way that men know what you want.

A lot of times, I think men feel like they just don’t know what to do to please women. 

So, in some ways, the course was one of those counterintuitive things because it really came down to training the women to clearly see what they want and how to communicate it in a way that makes men feel empowered, instead of shutting them down.

That’s a simplified version.

Makena: Yes, and so what if the woman says, “Why should I be the one to be trained here? Why should I be the one to take the first steps?” 

We’re going to talk mostly about romantic relationships, but this applies in other areas too.

“So, I’ve been in a relationship with this person for years, and they’ve done this, this, and this. They should be the one to bridge the gap.”

What do you say to that?

Gigi: I say that you have to be willing to take the first step. 

And in that, it’s like when I went into a company and the women said, “My boss is preventing me, blah, blah, blah.” 

I told them, “Okay, let me teach you how to first look at what you’re doing and then start to be collaborative and responsive to your boss.” 

If it doesn’t change over time, and you truly go in there 100%—not thinking, “Oh, this probably won’t work”—but really commit to it, and if it still doesn’t change after a few months, find a different boss.

Now, I’m not saying, “Leave your partner” or anything like that, but someone has to give. 

Someone’s got to give. 

And honestly, some people might resist this. For women, it’s easier because we have this ability with receptivity. We can really become receptive and truly listen.

So, we also have the ability to take that first step. It doesn’t mean that men don’t have the ability. It’s just more difficult—they don’t know how as easily.

Makena: Women have a natural gift around communication. 

Gigi: And they do, that’s right. Absolutely. 

Makena: And that’s a generalization like you said, and we’ll make a lot of generalizations. 

However, the way our brains are wired, the way we were biologically developed through the millennia to raise babies and nurture families, created a different set of natural gifts and skills. Men have cultivated many of these skills as well, but there is this natural ability that women have.

But what about if someone says, “I’ve tried a lot of things, and he’s just not responsive,” or, “I’m frustrated because I feel like he’s never going to change”? Do you see this a lot with women?

Gigi: I do. And I say, “You can sit there and be right about that for the rest of your life, or you can really try to get what I’m saying, and I really show them how.” 

That’s what we go deeper into in the program. You can finally just set that aside and say, “I’m going to roll my sleeves up here. I’m really going to go for this. I’m really going to go for this.”

Is there something else you’re thinking about, Makena?

Makena: No, I’m just remembering one of the women in the retreat last week and how she had a really big “aha” moment around that, where she was so attached to being right in the situation. So much of her frustration was built up because she felt like, “Well, I’m right here, and they’re not.” And she wondered, “How do we make it so that…?”

Even in the role plays, at first, it was challenging for her. But as she continued on, and you reflected back to her, “Would you rather be right or would you rather get the result you want or have the relationship you want?”—and in this case, it wasn’t even a romantic relationship; it was a work relationship—so it’s not necessarily just romantic relationships.

But when she finally let go and said, “Okay, I want to get the result more than I want to be right,” it was like something shifted, something clicked, and the role plays and dynamics became so, so different.

Gigi: Yeah, it’s so powerful and so subtle. I do understand, if you’re listening and you’re in pain and there’s been hurt over the years, like you said. But again, it’s worth a shot—you just have to set aside the need to be right. You finally have to let go of it and say, “Who cares who’s right or wrong?”

This is why I say it’s so powerful when we learn how to communicate. It’s the same in a parent-child relationship. The parent wants to be right, right? 

But when you learn the skill of putting that aside and asking, “What result do we want here? Do you want harmony in your relationship? Do you want to be connected?” 

Being right is never going to get you there, not in a million years. 

But finally saying, “I do want this, and I’ll do what it takes to make it happen,”

It takes courage because you might get rejected at first. But from my experience—and I have a lot of experience—when women start to do it, or anyone for that matter, I’d say 98 percent of the time, it hugely changes things. It’s a pivotal shift.

Makena: I would agree with that. And I think it’s important to describe what changes for people before we even get into sharing a skill with the listeners—what develops in the quality of a relationship.

I can speak to this from my own experience. 

Using these skills has allowed me to bridge a deeper connection with Sunny. We had a great connection from the beginning—we fell in love quickly, we knew this was it, and we wanted to be together. 

But the depth of the connection and this feeling that we’re on the same team, and that we’ve grown together in that way, where we’re all in on the relationship, is something that’s developed over time. We’re truly on the same team.

When conflict arises, we have tools to move through it. But honestly, we have a very low level of conflict in general, and that’s because we have these day-to-day communication skills. We know how to interact in such a way that there’s a lot of peace, harmony, collaboration, and connection. 

It feels like there’s also a huge amount of trust—especially now, nine years in. That took time to develop.

Often, when people have a lot of conflict, it’s because trust has been broken in some way, or they feel like they’ve been on opposite sides of something for a long time. It might seem like there’s no possibility for that connection again, or it’s hard to imagine your partner being on board with you. 

But I just want to say, like Gigi said, so much of the time—most of the time—if you’re really willing to get in there and set aside the need to be right, or the need for them to take the first step, there is the possibility of taking baby steps in a different direction.

Over time, those baby steps add up to huge changes in the quality of your day-to-day life. 

Relationships impact everything, right? You always talk about that.

What’s the example you always give about that, in terms of going to work?

Gigi: Yeah, I always say, if you wake up in the morning and you’re feeling great, and then you get up, go into the kitchen, and your partner comes in and says something, and all of a sudden you’re in a little fight. You feel bad, and they feel bad. Then you go to work, and that cloud is hanging over you. You talk to your employees or your boss, and that energy is still in you, clouding everything. You’re not completely yourself.

Then, when you go home, you’re still frustrated. If you have children, that agitation spills over to them. The cost of all this is something we don’t see because it’s invisible. We don’t see the immediate impact. 

That’s the other thing—people let their relationship break down in communication, and then they just give up. They stop talking more and more, grow more separate, become polite but detached, and eventually, intimacy breaks down. Before long, they have no connection whatsoever.

And this all started—from the crazy thing—just from being misunderstood.

Makena: What do you mean by that?

Gigi: Somewhere along the line, there’s a fight. Someone feels misunderstood, and someone takes something personally, and it doesn’t get resolved. 

Then, it seeps into everything. 

People make decisions in their mind: “She doesn’t understand me” or “He doesn’t get me,” and that builds. People start to gather evidence for it.

That’s where the skills you and Sunny have practiced come into play. You two have developed a beautiful process for clearing things out. And through my years of working with people, I’ve seen others do the same by going back and saying, “This is what came up for me, this is what happened, this is what I felt.” It’s about people understanding each other.

So, talking things through in a way where there’s no blame, no complaining, and you’re not attacking each other. 

You’re finally figuring out that if you’re really going to be on each other’s team, you have to talk things through. You have to see when breakdowns happen and clean those up.

Makena: Yeah, there’s so much here. There are so many levels and layers, and when you’re in a relationship, especially if there are a lot of breakdowns and built-up issues, it can feel like a mountain. You might think, “Oh my gosh, there’s so much here.” 

Or maybe some of you listening are not at that point yet. Maybe your relationship is working well, or you haven’t been together that long, but you’re thinking, “I don’t want to get there. I don’t want things to build up, fester, or reach a point where we don’t have the tools to deal with things as they arise.”

When you’re spending your life with someone, or at least a long period of time, you’re with each other every single day. Life happens, things come up, and there will be challenges. As you said, the tools are relatively simple—simpler than you might think—but they take time to practice and master.

I want to get into one of those skills here, but I also want to mention a program we have coming out. It’s almost October 2024, and we’re releasing a program that I’m so excited about. Gigi, this is one of your absolute areas of genius, and I want it in the hands of every person in a relationship. It’s called “The Way of Growing Love.” 

For those listening who aren’t in a relationship, there will be a module for people who are single and looking for love—a bonus module.

Either way, listening and learning this full set of tools, really understanding different skills you can use, can be life-changing. 

What do you do when conflict arises? 

How do you approach your relationship differently? 

What are the differences between men and women in general? Even in same-sex relationships, there’s often a masculine and feminine energy, so the same principles apply.

The program is eight modules that you can listen to at your own pace—while driving, for example. We’ll be running it live in The Collective, our membership program. You can visit http://www.wayofthemuse.com/collective if you’re listening near the time of the live release. 

If you’re listening later, we’ll offer it as a self-study program. You can always email us at support@wayofthemuse.com and just say, “I’m curious about The Way of Growing Love,” and we can send you the link so you can check it out.

As you can tell from this conversation, there’s a lot here, many skills and tools we could dive into. 

But the one I really want to share today is “acknowledgment” because this is one of your foundational tools. 

Like many of them, it seems so simple that people might think, “Yeah, I don’t know. I already do that,” or, “That’s not going to make a difference.” 

But when people go out and practice it, they often say, “Oh my gosh, this changed everything.”

So, can you share a little about how someone approach or begin using the skill of acknowledgment? What’s it all about?

Gigi: Yeah, I think a simple way is focusing on what’s working instead of what’s not working. It’s so easy to see what’s not working because our brains are wired to notice that. So it’s about shifting to what is working, and this applies in all of your relationships.

For example, if you’re in a partnership—let’s say it’s a man and woman relationship—you’re the woman, and there’s a man. In that case, you want to shift to this kind of pattern of communication. 

What you’ll do is start to notice the things your partner does that really contribute to you, your life, and your children. You’ll want to describe that in words, verbally, and let them know how you appreciate it.

It’s very different than a compliment because a compliment is like, “Oh, I really love you, you’re great,” or, “Oh, you’re a great dad,” or, “Oh, you’re a great husband.” 

But here’s the thing: he doesn’t know how he’s a good dad or husband. So, you describe it very specifically. 

For example, you might say, “I really appreciate that you’re such a great man, that when I want to travel and do other things, you’re so accepting of it, and you help out with the kids. It makes me feel so supported.” Or, “I love it when on Saturday, you get up and take care of the kids so I can sleep in. I feel so incredibly grateful that my partner loves and cares for me enough to give me that time.”

For both of those examples, you’ve got to find your own words and be specific. 

Maybe Makena can share some of what she does. It’s all about being specific in how they contribute. It’s not just, “Great job.” It’s very specific to the person.

When you do this, the person really feels seen. They’re like, “Wow, that’s amazing. Nobody’s ever described me like that before,” and it feels so good.

The other thing that happens over time is, when you start practicing acknowledgment, people learn from you. I’ve seen it many times where your partner will turn around and start acknowledging you because you’re teaching them a pattern of communication. It feels so good that they think, “I’m going to try this too.” And you’ll see them start doing it.

The same thing happens with your children. I have clients who’ve done this for years, and they’ll start practicing it with their little kids, and before long, the little kids will start acknowledging Mommy and Daddy too. It’s super simple and very powerful.

Makena: Yeah, and you don’t even have to tell them that you’re doing it. In fact, we recommend you don’t. They’ll just naturally start to pick up on it over time.

Another example might be something specific they do in the moment, like, “Thank you so much for taking out the trash. That really helps me that I don’t even have to think about it—you take it out every week and bring it to the curb. It’s not my favorite thing to do, and I just really appreciate that you do that for us as a family,” or, “Thank you for taking our dog to the vet the other day,” or whatever it might be.

So, something they’ve done that has really contributed in some way. 

Like Gigi said, I want to go back to the idea of noticing what’s working instead of what’s not working because that’s part of the skill, but it’s almost a precursor—it’s the first part.

I love it when you share this with people because most of the time, when people come in with issues in their relationships, they share all the problems, all the issues, and all the things they want to change. 

And I’ve heard you tell people to go out for 30 days, and the first thing they do is only notice what the other person does that works.

I feel like that’s just one of those what? lightbulb moments where people think, “Huh? How does that work?”

Tell me a little bit more about that. 

Gigi: Yeah, because when you do that, it’s going to change the dynamic. The person will naturally start doing more and more of the things that work, and your perspective is going to shift. You’ll stop focusing on all the things they’re doing wrong.

It will start to change the relationship, and often it will change how the person is—how your partner shows up—because of the way you’re seeing them. You’ve had a perspective shift.

Is there something else you want me to touch on there? 

Makena: I was just looking for the quote: “When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.” That’s Wayne Dyer. 

It popped into my head when you were talking because people think, “Oh, what’s that going to do?” But if you change the way you look at your relationship, or your partner, or your boss, or your kid, or whoever it is, and really focus for 30 days only on what’s working, it doesn’t mean the other things, like you said, go away or don’t need to be addressed.

Some of them may still be there and need to be addressed at a later time. But some of them will just disappear or change on their own sometimes because the way you are approaching things is different. 

There’s a dynamic going on in the relationship, and this starts to shift that dynamic. Then, start to verbally acknowledge some of those things, right? Share them with your significant other or whoever it might be.

Gigi: And you want to be careful. You don’t go in and start overdoing it. You just find those moments where because we think them, that’s the thing I always share is we think those things in our head. “Oh my gosh, I have such a great husband,” whatever it is.

And we don’t say it out loud. So here you start to actually say it out loud, say it to the person. And like I said, get more and more specific because the more specific, You get the more it lands, the more they, it really, they feel good. 

It’s funny, when I used to work in Germany way back in the early nineties, they would go, “that’s manipulation.”

It’s not manipulation. You’re not doing it to try to get somebody to do something. You are honest, and you want to acknowledge the things that are real, the things that really you feel. You appreciate them, so that’s super important.  

Makena: And this is a foundational skill, right? We wanted to teach you one of the foundational skills here in the podcast so that you have something you can go out and apply right away. It starts to set the tone for a different dynamic in your relationships.

This is a great one to practice in general, but also, if you are going to come in and do some additional training and learn some of these other, more advanced skills that can really support you around conflict or areas where maybe you aren’t quite on the same page. Or, where you want to deepen your relationship, have more intimacy, or want more time with each other—whatever is coming up for you.

There are more advanced skills, but this one always helps. It’s a foundational piece. 

So whether you come in and do The Way of Growing Love with us or not, apply this one and do it for 30 days—you’re going to see huge, huge changes.

Gigi: It’s a fun one, and do it with your children, with your boss, and with everyone. You’ll just be like, “Oh my gosh, yeah, this is easy.” 

At first, some people feel really awkward doing it. They’re just like, “I don’t do this, you know?” And if you feel like that, I would still say, try it. You can start with little baby steps because you will begin to get better and better at it. 

Again, communication is so often unconscious. That’s the thing that we teach, and I teach—how to start being consciously aware of how you’re communicating and the impact that you have, because that’s huge.

We don’t always understand our impact. 

And when you start to learn and you have this awareness of using acknowledgment in such a way that the impact you see is super positive, it uplifts people. It brings them up. Then you can use this everywhere in your life.

Makena: Yeah. And in my opinion, it’s one of the most important things you can do for your health, happiness, and success. 

Because think about it: when you have conflict in your relationships or there are breakdowns, how does that impact your health? 

How does it impact your sense of well-being, your energy, and inspiration to get out there and create in the world in terms of your business or career?

How does that impact your finances? Right? How much money you make because you’re always distracted by this pressure. 

What would be possible if that were all turned around? If you had this connection where there was peace, depth, intimacy, and harmony?

I always describe it as a battery pack. My relationship is like a battery pack that fuels the rest of my life. I feel so energized within it. And of course, we have our breakdowns, we have our arguments sometimes, and different things come up. 

But because we have tools to move through them quickly, they don’t take us out of the game. They don’t distract us for months and become bigger issues.

That’s really what we want for those listening—that you can come to this place where your relationships, romantic and otherwise, are as energizing as they can be. That you have at least a level of peace and harmony there. 

So yeah, if you’re curious again about The Way of Growing Love, we’re running it live in The Collective at wayofthemuse.com/collective. That membership, which includes live calls every other week, is only $197 a month. It’s a really great deal. It’s a two-month program, so you can come and do that. 

Or, if you’re listening to this at a later date, we’ll have it up for you to go through at your own pace. You can email us at support@wayofthemuse.com. 

So thank you for listening. Go out and practice this skill. 

Let us know how it goes. We’d love to hear from you. 

And Gigi, thank you for sharing your wisdom here.

Gigi: Thanks for listening. See you next time.

Makena: All right, everyone, see you next time.