How to Stop Being Self-Critical and Fully Own Your Value

Makena: Hello everyone.

Gigi: Hello. Good morning Makena.

Makena: We’re back together. Yeah.

Gigi: We’re not really together.

Makena: Not yet. We will be in a couple of days, though. 

Gigi: And that’s right. We’re going to be in New York City. I’m super excited. I haven’t been there in years.

Makena: I know. We lived there for a while when I was young, and we’re going to lead a retreat for our platinum clients.

It’s going to be so fun. It’s going to be cold, but thankfully, it seems like we’re escaping some of those polar vortexes that have been going on, and it’s going to be a little better while we’re there.

Gigi: Yeah, yeah, I’m looking very forward to it. We get to go to the theater and have nice meals. So super excited.

Makena: It’s going to be fun. A few days in the city. 

Today we have an episode on women being hard on themselves.

Gigi: Yeah, I’m sure a lot of the listeners can relate to that. I can relate to it actually. 

Makena: Yeah. And there are even sneaky, subtle ways that this shows up, right? 

Even when women think they’re not hard on themselves, we find that often, when we dig a little deeper, there are subtle ways in which they are.

Gigi: Recently, I was on with a client and she was telling me how positive she is all the time. And it’s true. If you talk with her, she’s just super positive and sees the bright side of everything. 

But when we started talking and going a little deeper, what she realized was that she was positive in all the outward things and super positive about other people and things that were going on, but inwardly, she was hard on herself, like all the time. 

I’d seen that. I could see it.

So it’s a big aha for her because she had this kind of subtle conversation going in the background about just being hard on herself.

But then she works it on the outside, so if you meet her, she’s vivacious and very, very, very open and positive.

Makena: Yeah, this is such a powerful distinction because when you really get this, and you can really shift to not being so hard on yourself or to be kinder to yourself, it really has, I think, just a huge ripple effect on your life, right? And your business, your results, your career, whatever that might be.

Gigi: Yeah, it does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 

Makena: So, just going off of what you just shared, you said, she was really positive in her life, but maybe not so much with herself. 

So that’s a good self-reflection question for our listeners is…

Where are the places, are there places where you aren’t as kind to yourself or positive with yourself, or do you tend to get a little hard on yourself?

I’m curious, what do you see about why people, and women especially, seem to have such a hard time acknowledging themselves?

Gigi: Well, one thing is that it’s modeled to us by our parents. 

I mean, you probably got some of that from me. That’s the great thing about the younger generation–you get to learn from your parents. 

So I think it’s modeled for you. And I think that’s changing in the world a bit. 

But we’re also told not to boast and to be humble, like, you shouldn’t talk too much about yourself. 

That’s always funny because I work in Europe a lot, and through my years of working there, and often with the Germans, I’ll talk great about my kids. I’ll really talk great about them, how much I admire them, and what they’re doing. 

I saw for years that people were super uncomfortable with that, and they absolutely could not do that about their children.

Now I’ve watched, especially clients that I’ve had for many years–now they do that. There’s a big change to it because before, it felt like you just didn’t do that. You know, that’s taboo. 

And the other one is when we don’t share, it ends up biting us in the butt. This is a huge mental culture shift for women–really owning our value. The more we’ve gone into business and the more we are, a lot of times the breadwinners, and we’re out there really going for it. 

I used to talk about this–some of the most successful women I know still have this in the back of their minds. It’s running; it’s a tape that’s running for them.

Even with your men, I always tell women, you’ve got to go, “Hey, you know, you’re right, honey, I’m hot stuff.” Because a man loves it when he knows that you know that you’re hot stuff. That confidence–that’s one of the most attractive things about women for men.

Makena: Yeah, absolutely. And especially if your man loves you and really tells you those things. It’s like, don’t just deflect. Take it in, and over time, let it shift your perspective. 

That happened with me and Sunny where, over the years, the way he would talk to me and admire me really shifted my view of myself. I can own my beauty in a way that I couldn’t before, and he loves that. It makes him so happy when I talk positively about myself instead of just being hard on myself.

The other side of this–you kind of touched on this–but there’s this aspect that I think can become a little bit of false humility too. Right? 

I see this sometimes with people because it’s been so programmed in or they’ve just seen it modeled to them that it’s sort of like, “Oh, no, no, no.” Right? 

What do you see with false humility?

Gigi: Yeah, the false humility, it’s a way of always downplaying your accomplishments or abilities and, in some ways, while really feeling kind of secretly superior. 

What happens is we constantly put ourselves down, or we say, “I’m not as good as you think I really am.” And so, like you said, it is a form of deflecting, and it doesn’t really let things in.

So, in that, it doesn’t make you really own, again, your value. 

Like you said, you have transformed that over the years. Really look into the things that you are doing that are really great or beautiful. And that doesn’t mean you’re more beautiful than someone else. It’s that we all have a certain kind of beauty.

When we own what we’re good at, and we own what we do, there’s something hugely authentic about that. And there’s something where people trust it, too.

Makena: Yeah. I think it’s like the false humility is kind of like–is it truly authentic? Right? 

Someone might feel insecure or something. Okay, then, that’s one kind of energy. 

But if someone is just kind of saying, “Oh, no, no,” or “I’m not that great,” or whatever, sometimes there’s just an interesting stop in the energy that happens there if it’s not really fully authentic. 

Let’s say someone tells you, “You’re really brilliant at that,” and you go, “Oh, no, no, no. There are so many smarter people.” 

It just sort of puts an interesting kink in the energy.

If you’ve ever acknowledged someone like that or given them a really authentic compliment of something you just really see and recognize, and then they kind of deflect, it’s a strange dynamic, right? 

It feels weird to be on the giving side of that. 

So that’s kind of what we’re talking about with false humility–when someone does that to you or for you or shares something, it’s really taking it in and being like – it’s as simple as “Thank you.” 

Those two little words.

Gigi: Yeah. “Thank you, I appreciate that,” or “Thank you for noticing that. I really love that.” 

When people sometimes tell me things like that, I’m just like, “Thank you so much,” and it really means a lot that they said that to me because a lot of times people don’t say it. 

So verbalizing is very powerful, and it makes me feel good. It makes me remember, “Oh yeah, I do that,” or “Oh yeah, I’m good at that.”

Makena: Yeah, and it’s not that you’re better, right? 

Just because somebody is saying something great about you doesn’t mean they think you’re better than them or better than somebody else. It’s just an in-the-moment truth, something they see or observe. 

I love to say–so I say “Thank you,” and then I often also say, “That’s so kind,” or “You’re so kind,” because I really feel that from someone if they’ve taken the time out to verbalize something.

I was with some girlfriends yesterday. We were talking about our skin, and they said something about my skin being so beautiful naturally or something. 

I was like, “Wow, that’s really kind.” And it’s not something I actually really think about for myself. So in that moment, it was like, “Oh, instead of deflecting, I went like, huh, maybe that is true. Let me look at my skin a little differently from now on.”

Gigi: When you stop that or you’re not doing it–if I tell you you’re an incredible mother and then you say, “Oh, yeah, but I’ve made this mistake or that mistake,” then again, it takes it away. 

But there’s something that person is seeing in you. This is where we can, when we embrace it, this is also the way to fill the bank of stopping being hard on yourself.

I often do that based on the things that people tell me. If I get down on myself, I’ll remember, “No, this, this, this, and this,” because it’s that outside validation, which is so much more powerful than me figuring it out myself or me thinking about myself.

Makena: Yeah, it’s like seeing yourself through someone else’s eyes, right? It’s almost like borrowing their viewpoint for a little while and just going, “What are they seeing?”

Getting curious instead of sort of just going to your habitual thought patterns of maybe where you think you’re not measuring up.

Gigi: Yeah, and then using this in a way–when we talked about not boasting, like, for me, when I am talking to somebody, and maybe they want to work with me, or they’re curious about it, I will often say, “Listen, if you work with me, I’ll change your life.” 

I don’t mean I’ll do it–they’re going to change their life. But I support you in such a way things are going to change if you do the work, right? I can’t make you do the work. And I’m very confident about that.

Over the years, I share that with our coaches that we train because when I do that, the reason I do it is because I so believe that, and I believe in the person. 

In that confidence, that allows the person to know my commitment. Some people may say that’s boasting. For me, that’s my willfulness and my determination in what I do in my work.

Makena: Yeah, and that holds an energy that has a frequency that people can align to when they are working with you, like you’re saying, of your belief in them and your clarity that their life is absolutely going to change. 

So when they go through their ups and downs and their doubts and whatever, you hold that line. That’s part of what a great coach does.

I want to talk a little bit about this idea because some people might be coming up against this in themselves as they’re listening, around, “Well, isn’t that egotistical?” or, like we said, “boasting” or “standing out.” 

I really love the topic of the ego because people have sort of demonized this word and also made it mean something very specific in the English language, which–I don’t know in other languages–but in English, “ego” has come to be equated with boasting or with trying to be the center of attention. It’s like, “Oh, they just have a big ego,” and it’s kind of like they want all the attention for themselves.

But the truth is, in my experience, and you and I have talked about this, the ego is actually, in our work with people, the ego is kind of–some people call it like the “small self.” 

It’s more like the mind or it’s the personality. And the ego is actually the part for many people that has them play small. It’s the voice in the head that’s saying, “Oh, well, don’t do that because…” whatever, whatever.

Now, some portion of the population takes the voice in the head and their insecurities, and they act bigger, and they do kind of pull attention. And we’ve taken that small portion of the population and said, “That’s what ego is.” 

But the truth is, for, I think, the majority of people, it’s often the opposite. Right? Have you seen that?

Gigi: Yeah. And I just heard something about how, ego is self-centeredness, and self-centeredness comes–I mean, when you have fear, that’s actually self-centeredness because your attention’s on yourself.

Makena: Your attention’s on yourself. Yeah.

Gigi: Yeah. So, which is what I’ve taught for years. 

When you say, “Oh, I’m not good enough,” or “I can’t get out there and go do that,” that’s the attention on yourself. 

The truth is, you cannot not do it because of the value it creates in the world. That’s when you step out of that self-centered ego. 

Instead of doubting yourself and being in fear, you go basically into service and into what you are meant to do on this planet.

No matter if that’s big or small or what somebody would consider big or small, no matter what that is, it’s that stepping into what your purpose and soul are here to do.

Makena: That’s the language I like to use around it. I use the verbiage of the ego and then the soul. So the ego being, again, the mind, the small self, the thoughts that run through our head. 

Then the soul being this deeper part of ourselves that’s here–whatever you believe about that.

But, if you have some sort of feeling that we’re here for a bigger reason or aim to this planet to do something, then that soul is that deeper part that knows what you’re here to do, or is here to, like you said, be of service. 

When people really can step out of the small self that actually wants them to play small–the ego for many people–and really own their value, like we’re talking about today…

The ego is the part that’s hard on you. The ego is the part that’s hard on you. The soul isn’t hard on you. 

The soul knows, “This is who I am,” and it’s not better or worse than anybody else, but it is a gift.

So when you can tap into that part of yourself and really own your value–or sometimes that means stepping out in the world in some way and shining or doing some work that helps others or contributing in some way–you can feel when that’s aligned with the truth of your soul, and that’s coming from such a different place than the ego.

So I just wanted to uncouple the word “ego” from what most people think of it as, and really kind of give people this framework of, “Is this my ego, or is this my soul?” 

And recognizing that sometimes the ego is actually the part that’s being hard on yourself or making you play small.

Gigi: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Makena: So there’s another reason that women are hard on themselves that we wanted to talk about. Can you share a little bit about that one, Gigi?

Gigi: Because in our culture, especially Western culture, we focus so much on achievement, winning. We gotta win. 

So we’re always looking at how far we have to go to get to our goal. “Here I am now, but oh my God, my goal is this–I didn’t make it.” So then, “I’m not a good person, or I don’t do what I say.”

What happens is that we rarely stop, slow down, and celebrate our successes. And when we really celebrate them, really take a moment–I always say, I’m like, “Oh, Gigi did a great job.” 

That’s how I celebrate and talk to myself, you know? And to really take that moment…

We see this so much because, again, often the way you were raised… When I started working in Germany, I taught the skill of acknowledgment–and this is back in the early ‘90s, even late ‘80s, ‘89–I was there, and they were just offended. 

They were like, “No, we don’t do that. We don’t acknowledge other people. We don’t do that. That’s taboo here.”

It took years for my work there. And even when my books came out and the culture shifted–and not just because of me, but because the culture changed over time. 

But I was a huge influence in that in Europe because it was a shift in starting to look at their good accomplishments and what they were doing, and also to acknowledge the people in their lives and let them know how they feel and how they contribute.

So for us, that is something that we see in a lot of our work with women, but also with men. I see it often. 

It feels uncomfortable to stop and really celebrate what you’ve done or how far you’ve come, or all of these things that you’re doing. 

People don’t want to go there because, again, it feels like it’s egotistical or something.

Makena: It’s also just the way, again, in our culture we’ve been taught, and in many cultures, this is true. A few years ago, in one of the masterminds I was a part of, they talked about this concept, which is actually from a book called The Gap and the Gain. And the book is by Dan Sullivan and Dr. Benjamin Hardy.

I didn’t actually read the book, but we did a pretty extensive training on it, and it was such a fascinating concept to me. 

You can Google it, or you can go get the book, and essentially, I’m going to paraphrase: 

Imagine a piece of paper, and you’re drawing a line on that piece of paper to get from here, where you are, to here, the goal. X marks the goal.

So what happens is there’s this gap between where you are and where you want to be. And this is what most of us focus on. 

We’re always focusing on the gap between where we are and where we want to be. 

What’s interesting is that over time, as we’re moving forward, we make progress. So we actually move up on that piece of paper closer to that X.

But the interesting thing is that most people are still only focused on the gap. 

Nobody looks back at what they call the gain. 

The other interesting thing is that the target moves for most people. After a little while, they’re getting closer, or they may even hit the goal. 

They take two seconds to be excited about it, and then they move the goalpost out another distance into the future.

There’s this thing, like you’re saying, of always looking at where we want to go, the next thing we want to accomplish, how far we have to go, and never stopping–rarely stopping–to look back and go, “Oh my gosh, look at this gain. Look how far I’ve come.”

From what I understand, kind of the point of this idea is to have high achievers, or anyone really, take the time to go, “Wow.” I love that thing that sometimes you see floating around on social media of, “In what ways are you living the life that your younger self dreamed about?”

Gigi: No kidding.

Makena: Like, wow. The things that we get to have or do. And if you’re in a down point, maybe that’s not true, it doesn’t feel true in this very moment. 

But really, if you look over the course of your life, for most people… Or even, you’ve had experiences that your younger self would have been like, “Oh my gosh, that’s what I want.” 

So that is the gain–that’s the part to really celebrate.

Gigi: That is true. Like I was saying with the acknowledgment piece, to stop and really acknowledge yourself, to acknowledge your successes and really appreciate them.

There’s one more, and I love this one. It’s so simple. You’ve all heard it, and it’s the glass-half-full mentality. 

And sometimes, when I can’t get through a lot of times to leaders, this simple, sharing this–everybody gets that. “Oh, okay, I understand how that works.”

Because we do this–the glass is half full. 

We’re so used to getting together and talking about, “This isn’t going well,” instead of getting together and going, “You know, this is going fantastic.” 

Every day we have moments–we wake up, and so many great things happen. And then one bad thing happens. And then you ask someone how their day was, and they go immediately to what didn’t work.

They forget about all the wonderful things that happened earlier. And this is just the human mind. This is the human experience. You know, it’s just the human mind. We constantly look, and we’re trained even in school to look at that whole critical thinking, right? 

The critical thoughts of things instead of looking at what is, again, what’s working in our lives, what’s going really well.

Makena: Yeah, I think we called it the glass-half-full, but I think it’s actually the glass-half-empty, right? 

The glass is half full was on our outline, so there you go. 

But it is kind of the glass-half-empty mentality instead of going, “Oh, it’s actually half full,” again, sort of like the gap and the gain and in what ways is it full?

But I love what you’re saying about when we get together with other people. And we do, we chit-chat about what’s not working. Sometimes it’s like that’s a habit. 

If you really pay attention and you go, “I don’t want to do that anymore. I want to really focus on what’s working instead of what’s not working.” 

Sometimes it’s like when you start getting together with friends or something like that, and you’re like, “Oh my gosh, I don’t know what to talk about,” or, “Everybody’s only talking about their problems.” It can be an interesting awareness to have.

Gigi: Yeah, but the other thing to say there, and one reason we do share what’s not going well is that there’s a deeper conversation that happens sometimes. 

Because I know in my work, if I just talked about what was going well, that wouldn’t get to the deeper things that people are going through.

So it’s not so much about always talking about what’s not going well, but maybe just where people are having challenges and things like that. 

But what you’re talking about is that thing where people get together, and they complain. And in the complaining, there’s not really… we don’t go any deeper than that. It’s just a complaint.

Makena: Yeah, it’s kind of like a question could be, “Am I just complaining to complain, or am I sharing vulnerably to really connect or to go deeper with someone or to work something out?” 

That’s a different kind of feeling or intention behind it versus just kind of chit-chatting about our problems.

You talked a lot about Europe, but there’s also–I know in Australia, there’s something called tall poppy syndrome. I haven’t been to Australia myself, but I’ve heard a lot about this from friends of mine who are Australian. 

It’s kind of this idea of, if you stand out, right, if you grow–that poppy grows taller than the other poppies–then they’ll kind of cut you down, right?

And that’s so in their culture that it really comes up for people from Australia when they’re thinking about going out, becoming successful, celebrating wins, those kinds of things.

Gigi: Yeah, I’ve been with a lot of Australians, and that is something they do. 

The first time I experienced it was at a dinner in Singapore. I remember I was in shock. I could not believe the way they talked to each other.

For them, they often… they’re just like, “That’s what we do.” You know, again, that’s cultural. It’s kind of self-deprecating…

Makena: Yeah.

Gigi: But I have seen through the years and speaking to people from Australia that, as you said, a lot of times underneath, it really holds some people back too.

Makena: Absolutely. So, let’s talk a little bit about how you can shift this, right? 

We’ve kind of sprinkled some ideas throughout the episode today, but if someone does feel like, “Oh, I see ways in which I’m being hard on myself or not really acknowledging how far I’ve come,” what’s something they can do to start to shift in the other direction?

Gigi: First of all, just sit back and take stock of who you are and what you’ve accomplished in your world. 

As you said, Makena, look back at your younger self and where you came from and where you are today. You can even take some time to journal about that.

Another beautiful way of doing this–we do this sometimes in our retreats–is if you look at your life as someone else from the outside looking in, what would you see? Who is that person? 

Or if you look and you go, if there’s a movie about you, and you watch yourself day to day through this movie and what you do and where you have an impact and the little things that you do to serve other people, the little things that you do that make a difference…

You look at that, then you see, “Oh my gosh, this person is such a hero in the movie.” And that is just a great way to start practicing. 

I think that’s a great mental exercise when you want to get down on yourself.

Like I said, for myself, I’m always… when I look at my life, and it’s been a lot of life, right? Because I’m older. 

But I look at… here I was at 18 years old. I was pregnant. I was married. I didn’t finish high school. If you look at what I did, where I’ve been in my life, and the experiences I have, I’m like, who could have ever guessed in a million years, right?

And this–I love to share with younger people too–is there is this wide-open world for you. And just because of whatever you’re going through right now, wherever you sit in your life, whoever you are, even for older people, look at where you’ve been and where you are now. 

Even if you’re in a down place, look back and see how far you’ve come and realize there’s so much opportunity for you out there.

Makena: You often say, like, if someone’s looking from the outside, like maybe it’s your best friend, like somebody that really loves you, what would they say if they were kind of writing that story you’re talking about? What your life has been? 

So really looking through the lens of love. Because I think people could still get hard on themselves even when they try to look from the outside.

But really, looking through the lens of someone who really loves you and admires you and thinks you’re just amazing.

Gigi: Yeah. And through the lens of love is, you know, the hard times and the times you made mistakes–all of those things as part of the human experience. 

And that person looking from the outside would see that as, “Wow, look at you. Look how you conquered that, or look how you got through that.”

Just a couple of examples of that… A woman I know has a beautiful and amazing life. She’s done so much, and I often see this with stay-at-home moms. They decide to give up their careers, stay home with their children, and really support their partner in his career and his business, handle everything, and also be supportive in his endeavors. 

They really grow their children.

And through that, sometimes, if they’re in a setting where there are businesswomen or whatever, it can feel uncomfortable because they’re not actively out there in the world doing these kinds of things. 

To stop in that kind of situation, like with this woman–and I even pointed out to her–is that she has an amazing life, what she’s built.

Forty years of marriage and amazing children, she’s created a space for herself that is beautiful. And there are so many incredible things she does in her life, you know?

Makena: It was reminding me, I just saw this reel–I sent it to my husband because we’re expecting right now. And so all the baby reels are showing up, of course. And I’ll just read it to you. It says:

Me: Today was so unproductive. It’s so hard with the baby. I got nothing done. The house is a mess, and all I did was hold him.

My Baby: I had the best day with Mommy. She held me. We napped together. She made sure my belly was full, and my diapers were always changed. When I cried for her, she was always right there to pick me up. I love her so much.

Gigi: Oh…

Makena: And that’s just such a sweet… that’s again, through the eyes of love and where people get hard on themselves. 

And this is, of course, we’re talking about babies there, but like you’re saying, women who have maybe stayed home and raised families, and often they’re going, “Well, maybe I didn’t go out and accomplish some huge thing in the world.”

But they did. They raised these children or this family or they supported their partner or whatever. And, you know, probably touched countless friends and other people along the way.

I know there was another story you wanted to share, too, Gigi, about someone who doesn’t have kids.

Gigi: Yeah. A woman who doesn’t have kids. And she’s hard on herself often and doesn’t see what she’s done. But the truth is she’s such an inspiration. 

She has lived life on the edge. She’s gone out, done adventures, inspired so many people to go out across the world, mand oved across the world. 

I mean, she’s always, always going to the next adventure.

Her courage is incredible. 

She can’t see, sitting in her world, the impact of that. When other people see and look through their eyes, what she’s doing… She’s inspired a lot of people to go out and do things that they wouldn’t have done without seeing her.

So there’s just no way to know the impact that you make every day.

But the one from the baby’s view is a really, really great one because look at the people around you. And if they said who you are and what you’ve done for them, that’s the story. 

That’s the true story, not the one you’re living in your mind.

Makena: Yeah, that’s such a great point. 

So that’s one practice people can do in terms of looking at their life from someone looking from the outside through the lens of love and asking, “What would you see?” You can do that as a reflection exercise or a writing exercise.

Then, the other one you talked about a lot today is acknowledgment. 

So that can be a simple daily practice. We have many of our clients do this–to acknowledge themselves every day. 

Like, what did they really do that worked? Or what they did that contributed in some way? Or what are they proud of for themselves that day?

It seems so simple and almost silly to people when we suggest it, but when they start doing it, it’s powerful. 

They’re like, “Oh my gosh.” Right? 

Maybe something comes up in them where it’s hard for them to acknowledge themselves, and they realize that’s there for them. 

But, over time, it becomes like a muscle that makes it much easier to acknowledge yourself. 

That is starting to turn the tide in the other direction.

Gigi: Yeah. And I always talk to myself like, “Gigi, you did so great on that.”

Makena: Yeah. So, I guess just to close, what do you feel is the impact when women start to make this shift? 

So, when women really stop being so hard on themselves… 

We’re saying women, again, this could be anyone. We just primarily work with women. 

So what happens in their lives? Like, why is this important? 

Because people go like, “Well, yeah, it’s not that big a deal,” right?

Gigi: It is. It is so important because what it does is all that time you’re sitting there being self-centered by thinking about yourself. 

You shift that to putting that into the people you love, into the projects you want to do, into impacting the world, into being present for people.

That’s the other thing, too. 

When you’re always in your head, questioning yourself, you’re not present in your life. You’re not present for your children. You’re not present for your clients. You’re not present. You’re not fully expressing who you are and what you’re here to do.

When you shift this and own who you are, then it just… it eliminates so much wasted time. So much wasted time, and you get to feel and enjoy life. 

That’s the other thing, too. When you’re always questioning yourself, you no longer feel life. All you feel is your mind.

Makena: That’s a really interesting point. I love what you said about freeing up all that energy. 

Like if you really think about how much energy does it take–whether it’s the amount of hours in a day you’re being hard on yourself or just how much it drains your energy when you’re being hard on yourself. 

And, like, what if you had all that energy back?

What if you really could take that, like you’re saying, and pour it into the people and the projects and the things that you love? 

Pour it into what you want instead of kind of cycling in just something that’s not serving you.

Gigi: If you do have children, it’s one of the greatest things you could do to teach your children through action. 

You’ll never teach it to them by telling them. You’ll only teach it to them by doing it. And they learn from you as a role model and what they see.

Makena: Yep. One of the greatest gifts you can give them.

Gigi: Yeah.

Makena: Beautiful. Well, thank you, Gigi. It was fun to be back with you here.

Gigi: Yeah, you too.

Makena: Yeah. Okay. All right. Love you. See you soon. Bye-bye.