A Dream That Makes You Want to Get Up in the Morning

Gigi: Hello. Hello.

Makena: Always looking for new ways to open up the podcast, right? 

Gigi: I could start singing when we started.

Makena: Oh yeah, that’d be fun. What would you sing?

Gigi: What are songs that I used to sing? “I Can’t Make You Love Me” by Bonnie Raitt.

Makena: Gigi has a few soundtrack songs that are sad. I don’t know why.

Because it helps her feel her feelings.

Gigi: Yeah, exactly.

Makena: Well, welcome everyone to a new episode. We were just thinking about what personal updates or exciting updates we have for you. 

Gigi, do you want to share?

Gigi: Yeah. So our topic today is a dream that makes you want to get up in the morning. 

And so we were thinking, what’s a dream that we’re actualizing like that? 

Yes, we can say dun dun, because really, the book that we’ve been talking about for two years is–

Makena: We wrote the whole thing. We’re just going to start over. Kind of.

Gigi: Yeah. We’re trashing that one. Starting another one. But this one is–I think it’s because you had to wait until you were birthing a baby. And so she’s going to birth the book at the same time.

Makena: Yeah.

Gigi: Because she is an overachiever. We know. 

Makena: So yes, yes. So it’s about our journey. Gigi’s mentoring me, but also just our story. And so it has this mother and daughter component, and I think it’s probably just a full circle moment that I’m having a daughter, so yay. Yeah. 

It gives me a deadline to get this thing done and get it out.

Gigi: A birth line. A birth line. It gives you a birth line. 

Makena: Yeah. There you go. Birth line. So we’re very excited, so stay tuned. That’s our big dream we’re stepping into right now.

So this topic really came up because I hear this a lot from people. People say, “I just want to be doing that thing that makes me want to jump out of bed in the morning,” or, “I have different ideas about what I might want to do.” 

And some of you even love what you do, but you want that bigger dream that has you again–it’s kind of a cliché at this point–like, “I want to jump out of bed in the morning.”

Gigi: Yeah.

Makena: And that’s the first thing we want to talk about because absolutely, that’s a huge part of what we help people do–step into their bigger dreams. 

And there’s a misconception around this. Gigi, do you want to talk a little bit about that misconception? 

Because the other day someone said this to me and I said, you know, it doesn’t necessarily feel 100% like that when you’re doing the thing that you really, really love.

Gigi: You know, I always give the example–people say this to me all the time, “Oh my gosh, aren’t you exhausted when you work like that?” 

And I’m like, of course I get tired. But when you’re doing something that aligns with you, it’s a really good kind of tiredness. 

And so it’s the same when we’re thinking about, “Oh my gosh, is it going to be every morning I want to get up and jump out of bed?” It’s not like that, really. It’s that when you’re doing what you love and when you find something that there’s this sense of purpose and feeling like you’re in alignment. 

And sometimes that feels really exciting. But some days it feels like, “Oh my gosh, why am I doing this again?”

Makena: Yeah. That’s the reality I want to talk about because it is something to look forward to. There’s nothing like feeling super aligned in what you’re doing. And for most people, they are thinking about this as a career–being fully aligned in their career, loving what they do. 

But even if it’s something on the side, if you want to write a book or some kind of project or side business or whatever it might be, we have this idea of, “Oh, it’s going to be like, I can’t wait to jump out of bed.” 

And for most people, on most days, I would say that’s not necessarily the experience. But it is more like–you always say before you go to sleep at night–like, “Okay, I’m doing what I’m meant to be doing. I’m on track. I’m on path.” 

That’s a really great– I guess that’s what we would call fulfillment, right? Like really feeling filled up by what you’re doing.

Gigi: Yeah. I just want to interject here because even with Makena, she said to me–I think it was a few weeks ago–”I think I’m really not a writer because I really don’t like to sit and write.”

Makena: I don’t like to edit. I like to write. I hate editing.

Gigi: I said, if you probably talk to anybody out there that has written, they would probably say half the time, that’s the way they feel. They’re like, “Why am I doing this again?” 

But the fulfillment and the result and the end product–then you’re like, “Oh my gosh, yeah, this is amazing.” Many times when I led workshops through my career, I would be like, “I don’t want to do this today.” 

And then at the end of the weekend, I would be like, “Oh my gosh, I love this.” 

Remember that? I’d get in workshops, right? After the first two hours I’d say, “I’m not going to do this anymore. I’m done with this.”

Makena: Yeah. And by the end she’s like, “That was the best retreat we’ve ever led.” 

Gigi: “When are we scheduling the next one?”

Makena: Yeah, exactly. And depending on the kind of work that you want to be doing or whatever that dream is for you, there are going to be those moments and those times where you do feel excited, you do feel in flow and lit up and inspired. 

But it’s not going to be all day, every day. And I think that’s the thing–if you’re holding that sort of expectation, then when you get there, it can be kind of–you might be let down a little bit. Or you might be feeling like, “Oh, this isn’t actually it because it doesn’t feel the way I thought it would feel.” And you’re looking for that thing that’s going to feel exciting every day, all day, and that’s just not the way human nature works. 

That’s not the way dreams work. 

So that, I just wanted to say before we get into the episode–is to really maybe feel into what it would really feel like to be doing, to be living that dream, and know that it’s going to have both sides to it. 

It’s going to have that feeling of satisfaction, of feeling like you’re on path, and it’s also going to have days where you feel like, “Why am I doing this?” or “This is really hard,” or “I don’t want to do this anymore.”

Gigi: Or an incredible amount of fear. You know, I used to talk about–I never wanted to be in front of a room. In my early years, after I had been learning and doing things, then I had to get in front of a room because I had something to say. 

And that’s the way you shared information at that point, right? We didn’t have Zoom and all these different things. But I, for years and still to this day, am scared when I get up in front of people. It’s never anything that I want to do.

Makena: Some people love it.

Gigi: Yeah, they love getting up in front of people.

Makena: Mostly. But there are other things that scare me. 

Gigi: But then I started doing it and, like I said, I had something to say and something I wanted to share. 

So I did that and traveled for 15 years and stepped through that fear every weekend and went for it. Because at the end of the day, I felt tired, but I felt more like myself and I felt more alive. And I love the results of helping people. 

Because really, for me, it’s about making a difference in people’s lives. And that could have been in a lot of different areas.

Makena: Yeah. So another misconception there is that the fear is going to go away, or you’re just going to feel totally confident and never question yourself again. And as we’ve said before on the podcast, we work with very successful women, many of whom still struggle with self-doubt. 

That’s one of the biggest things they say. No matter how successful they become–of course, they become more confident–but when it comes to the bigger dreams, that’s where the fear comes in. And that’s part of how you know you’re growing.

Gigi: Yeah.

Makena: That part of being vulnerable and really sharing something–that can be a product, that can be a service–but doing something that feels a little bit more connected to your heart and what lights you up.

Gigi: Yeah.

Makena: So whether you’re stepping into or desiring to step more into a dream that makes you want to get up in the morning in terms of a career, or it’s more, “Hey, I’m doing something I really love and I want that bigger dream or that next project,” we want to talk a little bit, of course, about the how. 

How do you start to get clear on it? Because most people have a lot of different ideas.

Gigi: Right.

Makena: They’re thinking, “Which one?” Or they’re not even sure where to begin. So what are some ways they can start to reflect? What are some questions, Gigi?

Gigi: Well, I always tell people to start writing down all the ideas you have. I’m a visionary. For years, I just wrote down all these different things because I would feel so frustrated–I had so many ideas and I didn’t know what to take action on first. I just lived in this frustration. 

And Makena, you helped me a lot with this as we started working together because it was, “No, we have to finish this thing before we can do this thing.” That really helped me. 

Through the years too, even earlier on before we worked together, I did start to see that things have a timing. I would write them all down and then pick and choose to see what I wanted to take action on. 

So it was more of a conscious choice.

And then the other thing is–did you have a dream when you were young? Was there something that you really wanted to do? A lot of times, there are pieces in what you wanted to do as a young person that is your passion.

Makena: Mm-hmm.

Gigi: Because what we’re looking at here is we’re looking for pieces of the puzzle.

Makena: Can you talk a little bit more about that? Because I think that really leads us into another misconception I want to talk about, which is this idea that there’s this one thing, right? 

People think of their purpose or their bigger dream as something they’re going to find. And it’s going to be this moment in time–”the door”–and everything’s going to be clear, and they’re never going to question themselves again or feel confused. And it’s just not the way it works. 

So tell me a little bit more about the pieces of the puzzle. I know we’ve talked about this on the podcast, but in case someone hasn’t heard that–what do you mean by that?

Gigi: Well, I look at it like pieces to the puzzle. As I’ve grown my career and my business and what I’ve done–we’ve shared this before–but like with my retreats early on, I started doing retreats for women. Then I wanted to add more of an element of… I remember at one point, I loved the whole Asian and Japanese aesthetic. I was like, “How could I do that?” 

Then at one point I realized, “Oh, I could put those in retreats. If I really love it, then it would probably be really great for the women that work with me.” 

And so I started making my retreats around a topic. We had the “Arts of a Woman,” the Japanese one. So these were ideas that would flow through my head all the time. I might not actualize an idea for two, three, maybe even four years. But I had it written down, and I would start to see, “Where does that fit into the puzzle that I’m building?”

Early on, when I wanted to travel with my kids and I wanted them to be part of going to other cultures–same thing. That didn’t happen overnight. That took trying it a couple of times, homeschooling you, setting it up so that you were getting some kind of education. Those were pieces of my puzzle of growing the life and the business that I really loved and wanted to do.

Makena: This podcast is another great example. I wanted to start a podcast for years. I was like, “We need to start a podcast.” I would jot down ideas or I wrote an intro at one point that I didn’t end up using. It was probably three years or something before we actually said, “Okay, now is the time.” 

And similarly with the book–it’s gone through multiple iterations. The version we’re going to write right now, which will be the final version, feels so aligned. It’s like, “Oh, this is the version that’s supposed to be out there.” That can be uncomfortable for people, I think–to sit in. It depends on the kind of person you are, right? 

But for some people–especially me, I’m a “get this thing done” type of person–it can be really uncomfortable to sit in the dreaming, the waiting, the researching. We’re going to talk about that as really being the first stage–and then waiting for that timing when it is like, “Okay, now is the time.”

It’s interesting though, because for someone like me, that’s really uncomfortable. But then I also see other people where I think the fear is that if they don’t… I don’t know what it is–like if they don’t do it now, they might not do it or something.

Gigi: Mm-hmm. Which is true. You might not.

Makena: Yeah. That’s a tough one to get comfortable with.

Maybe this is a good place to share–the “Ideas Journal.”

Gigi: Mm-hmm.

Makena: Yeah. Do you want to talk a little bit about that?

Gigi: Yeah. Like I said, I had to do this a lot years ago–just writing every idea that came to my mind and putting it down on paper or on my computer. Because there’s something about taking it from here [points to head] and putting it on paper that made me feel like it was safe. 

I think for visionaries, we feel like our ideas aren’t safe unless something happens with them. Like they’re going to be forgotten, or somebody else is going to do it, and we’ll say, “See? I should have done it.” That’s our thing.

So I write them down, and now I tell people to either get a journal or write them down digitally. Then I can scan through and see, at certain times, what I want to pick up and what feels really aligned at that moment–something I feel like I could do or put into a project I’m working on. It’s just a really fun way. It’s like a creative journal.

Makena: Yeah, I do this in Notes on my phone–because you have that on your computer and phone. Then I feel like I’m not going to lose it. I will say that for me, over the years–we were talking about this a little bit before we recorded–when I was in my former career, before I stepped into coaching, before I took a big risk and learned to follow through on something and bet on myself (and you really supported me in that, to go for it)–I think I would have been more in fear that I’m never going to do these things. Because I hadn’t ever taken those risks.

Gigi: Right.

Makena: Yeah. But because I really did at some point–and for some of you listening, you may be at this point where you’re like, “I have been sitting with a lot of ideas,” or, “I have all these things in the back of my head”–and that’s where sometimes hiring a coach or getting support or having some way that you really go out… we’ll talk about creating a project–going for something, even if it doesn’t turn out to be the thing–you build trust in yourself that you will go for it and you will try it.

Now that I’ve done that in this area, this has become fun for me–to have different ideas about projects I might want to do or directions I might want to go in my life. I have lots of different ideas, and instead of being frustrated or down on myself for not doing them right away, I kind of think of it as this dance with the universe–with God or the universe–and I’m like, “Oh, okay.” I get curious about it. 

I’m like, “Hmm, I wonder if that one’s going to happen,” or, “I wonder when this one will happen.” Or, you know, some of them I might end up disregarding at some point and deciding it’s not something I want to put my time and energy into. And then other ones–there’s a timing, like you said–and the time does come to go, “Okay, now it’s time to go all in.”

Gigi: And I like that. It is like a dance. Sometimes people get so hard on themselves or they’re worried they’re going to fail, and if they fail, it means all these things. Like you said, when we talk about the project idea, I think that just eliminates a lot of that. You do almost have to think of it as a practice and a fun experiment, because you learn so much about yourself.

I always tell people, once you do the project, then you really see: is this something I really want to do? Because a lot of times people find out, “Nope, that’s not really the direction I want to go.” And then it’s out of your head, and you have more brain space for new ideas.

Makena: Absolutely. Yeah, I love that. So there’s kind of stages to this process when you are exploring what is that bigger dream–or maybe you have multiple dreams–and you’re trying to figure out which one you really want to put your energy into.

The first stage we call “gathering information.” Can you talk a little bit about that stage, Gigi?

Gigi: Yeah, we just talked to someone, and we told her–she’s looking at some ideas–to get out there and research along the lines of the type of things she wants to do. Or people that you really find fascinating. Or a product that you really, really love and you’re thinking about doing something similar. You have to get out there and do your homework in terms of just research, research, research. And then write down ideas and dream. 

Think: “If I did this…” I always say, look and see what other people are doing. Look at what really resonates. Then, look at what you would do differently. You get a lot of clarity from doing that. You start to get your style or your vision for what you want to do.

Because so much of the time, that’s the other thing–we have it in the back of our head, and we don’t know how to get to it. And that’s where, like you said, when you have a coach or you have somebody that can bring that out in you, then it starts to spark your ideas. And you go, “Oh, I could do this, I could do that.” That’s the way you start.

Makena: And like you’re saying, writing down your ideas. And if you’re someone that–you could even put a time period around this if you wanted–you could say, “This is for 90 days,” or something like that. “I’m going to really be in the ideating stage, exploring different ideas, doing the research. And then I’m going to really take action on something.”

Gigi: Mm-hmm.

Makena: And this is where the kinds of things we’ve talked about in previous episodes–I don’t know the exact episodes off the top of my head, but we can link to some of them in the show notes–where we really talk about following your aliveness and your curiosity and how to explore. 

Those are really great skills and tools to help you in this “gathering information and dreaming” stage.

Gigi: See the moments where you feel the most alive, the most inspired, and write those down.

Makena: Oh, yeah. And then step two, or stage two that we’ve talked about before, but is such a powerful way to approach this, is to create a project.

Gigi: Yeah. You want to share about that, Makena? Talk about that one?

Makena: Yeah. A project, as you always say, has a beginning, a middle, and an end. So it’s really taking one idea that has the most energy and that you really see, “I would take action on this one,” because if you’re not going to do it, then it’s not the right one. Or if this doesn’t feel like the time, then it’s not. So you go, out of all these different ideas, “What would be a project I could do to try this on?”

Let’s see, I’m trying to think of an example of something I’ve done this with. Can you think of anything, Gigi?

Gigi: Hmm…

Makena: I mean, it could be–if you’re writing a book, then you start writing, right? Maybe you’re not going to write the whole book at first, but you’re going to write this much time each day for a certain period of time. 

Or you’re going to write some essays or something, or some social media posts, or whatever it is for you. You create some sort of project around that to go: does this have legs? Does it have energy? Is it something I really want to invest my time into?

That beginning, middle, and end could be a time period with certain things you’re going to do within it. Or it could actually be saying, “Okay, I want to start this…” we’ll use our industry–“I want to start this coaching business.” 

I’m going to go out there, again, first with research and everything else, and then you say, “I’m going to create a simple coaching program, and I’m going to lead three people through it–maybe at a beta rate or something like that–and see, is this the direction that I really feel excited and inspired to continue? Or is it not?” 

Maybe at the end you go, “Actually, that’s not really it. I want to do this other piece of things.”

Gigi: Yeah. You know, it’s funny–I think about it while you’re talking. I did this with the power couples, right? I hadn’t done anything with that for years. Again, it was on my list. I wanted to do a project. 

So I created a project. Two years ago, I did a week-long retreat in Jamaica. It was so much fun, and the couples got so much value that I thought, “I really want to do a year-long project with that.” So I just created that, and I’m starting it in September. That again came out of an idea that had been sitting on my list for years. 

Taking that project that was just a week long and seeing: is it going to create value? Did the people get value? Did I enjoy doing it? Is it something where I really feel I can put myself into it? And I was like, absolutely. It really made me grow.

Makena: Yeah, it’s a methodology you’ve been teaching and coaching and working with for decades–this sequence for power couples–but you hadn’t really gone out with that brand on its own to do something in a long time. That retreat was the first project.

Gigi: Yeah.

Makena: And then from there, you built into this other, and also created curiosity.

Gigi: Mm-hmm.

Makena: That’s such a great example. And I like that example too because it makes me think about something I say sometimes, which is that sometimes these things need time to fully bake in us. And you don’t want to do that forever, but this is something–again, you had been teaching this methodology and coaching with it for a long time–but it needed time before the timing came. And it was fully baked for you to go out there, create this retreat, create this program, and now is that time.

Sometimes that helps me with the relaxing around the timing of things–to go, “That book might still be writing itself in me,” or, “This might still be preparing itself,” or somehow things need to line up in the world and the universe for me to go fully out and say, “Now is the time for me to take on this project.” 

And sometimes through taking a project, I’ll say this last thing–you’ll get the reflection of whether now is the time.

Gigi: Mm-hmm, yeah. And the interesting thing is, my pieces of the puzzle–relationship work was my work for 15 years, and my books were published around that. That’s what I taught, but it was for women mostly, for many, many years. I taught that for 15 years. 

Then I created a men’s version. I did workshops for men. And then we wrote the book that was published in Europe, What Women Won’t Tell Men. So I had been putting together my pieces of the puzzle, and now they came together in terms of just working with couples.

Makena: Yeah, I love that. And we’ve talked a lot about timing, but I think there are a couple of other pieces here to touch on. One thing is–I want to talk a little bit about shiny object syndrome. Because this is something that I come across sometimes with people. They have so many different ideas, and they jump from idea to idea. 

So they might take that idea of a project or something too far, where it’s like they almost don’t stick with something long enough to see it through. Or you said they use it sometimes even to distract themselves. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Gigi: Yeah. You see people that are super creative–and again, I think visionary people–even with their businesses. I work with very successful people and you watch them do this. Even though they’ve got something going and it’s successful, they can’t focus. They keep wanting to go create this or do this new thing or get this new thing. And what happens is it just… I mean, when I see it, a lot of times it just waters down what they’re doing.

The main thing I see that happens is it just makes their life so difficult. It waters down their focus, and they’re so stressed. They’re pulled in so many different directions. Where, you know, getting something and getting it going well–really, really doing it well–again, they can start those other things a year from now or whatever and still have balance in life. 

Because that’s the other thing that comes in: it creates a lack of balance in their life.

Makena: I’ll quote you, which is, “You can do it all, but you can’t do it all at once.”

Gigi: Yeah.

Makena: And that’s something we say to our clients a lot because people have that in them sometimes–like, “I want to do this thing and I want to do that thing, and what about this?” And if I don’t do that, then it might not happen. And it is that thing of sitting back again and really seeing what has the most energy and, “Is now the time?”

And like you said, for someone–so that’s often with very successful people who have a lot of different businesses and stuff–but also with people who are maybe at a stage in their career where they’re not fully earning at the level they want to be earning, or they’re not totally–what would you say–kind of stable in what they’re doing, then that’s not always the time to be jumping around trying a bunch of different things.

Gigi: Mm-hmm.

Makena: Because they need to first get really stable, get something that’s working, income coming in, stability–and that gives them a kind of confidence too. And then from there, from that confidence and that grounding, they can pick, “Okay, what’s that next piece? What’s the next thing to add into the puzzle?”

Gigi: Yeah.

Makena: That’s super important. Let’s see, we talked about, “If I don’t go for this now, I might not do it.”

Gigi: Mm-hmm.

Makena: So talk a little bit about belief, Gigi–when it comes to going for a bigger dream, a dream that makes you want to get up in the morning. We said a lot of people struggle with self-doubt or fear or lack of belief in themselves. What would you say to that person?

Gigi: You know, especially when we’re talking about projects–you really have nothing to lose. So it’s that stepping off and just having the courage. And if it’s messy, it’s messy. And if it doesn’t go, it doesn’t go. I’ve had projects fail completely–oh my gosh. They say the faster you fail, the sooner you’re going to succeed. I really believe that when it comes to these project-type things.

Now, when it comes to setting up a whole business and going for it and making it this big thing–that’s a whole different story. You have a lot to lose when you do that. 

So that’s why I highly encourage–no matter who it is–that they do a project first. It has a beginning, middle, and end. And then they step back and go, “Okay, did this work? Is this what I want to go for? And if so, then how do I approach this? What worked and what didn’t work in this project when I build my business?”

Now, you can’t always do that. Sometimes people have to go to market fast if there’s an idea. But we’re talking about generally, right?

Makena: Yeah, and something I want to touch on there is something you’ve helped me do so much–and I know that we help our clients do so much of the time–is to really look at: Is this idea, this project, this business–whatever it is–building you into the life that you really want?

You know, a year from now, three years from now, five years from now–if you really go for this, is it the way you want to be spending your time? Does it make the kind of money you want to be making? Is it the lifestyle you want? 

Because so often, I think this is where, if people don’t take that time that we talked about in the beginning–of researching and dreaming and then trying a project–they have what we call “good ideas.” Lots of good ideas.

Can you talk about what we mean by a “good idea”?

Gigi: Yeah. I don’t even know how to describe it, but boy, when somebody does it, you can feel it and sense it immediately. It’s like, “I could do this,” or, “I could do that.” And you can just feel there’s no investment in it. It’s just these ideas. People see this or see that and think it’s a good idea–we all have those. We say, “Oh my gosh, I could have done such and such,” and somebody else did it.

But you can sense and feel in the person that there’s no buy-in to it. It’s just a good idea. It’s just a fleeting moment.

Makena: Yeah. But a lot of times people go with those good ideas, and then they end up ten steps down the road and they’re like, “Wait a second.” Or they go with what somebody outside of them said they should do, or what people are doing, or whatever it is. 

That’s often how people get to a point in their lives and kind of look around and go, “Wait a second, this isn’t really what I thought it would be.”

So it’s something to be aware of when you are in the dreaming stage. That’s why we teach people how to have this awareness of their vitality and their energy and their aliveness. 

But also, when we work with them, we help them connect that to the longer-term vision: what is this leading into, and is that in alignment with what you really want and what’s right for you?

Mm-hmm. Sometimes that’s hard to see for ourselves.

Gigi: Definitely need support with that. 

Makena: And the belief too–just to tie back to that for a moment–is, like we said before, the fear doesn’t necessarily go away. It will get less, but it’s getting comfortable with that. Sometimes it’s finding believers–people who do believe in you and will cheer you on along the way. And just knowing that confidence comes. Confidence comes with time.

Gigi: And practice.

Makena: And practice. And also with it being the right thing. That’s where, when you do a project, you’ll see, “Oh wait a second, I thought I would love this,” or, “I thought I’d be good at this, and it’s really not the direction for me.” That’s valuable information.

So yeah, it is a little complex–stepping into a dream that makes you want to wake up in the morning.

Gigi: That’s why everybody’s not doing it.

Makena: Exactly. I’m like, “Wow, this is a lot of different pieces here.” It’s not like, “Oh, we figured out the dream.” That’s how we all wish it was. We’re like, “I figured it out. It was this lightbulb moment. I stepped into it. It was easy, it succeeded, and I never had to worry about it again.”

Gigi: Yeah.

Makena: And I think just to say–that this is an evolutionary process that lasts a lifetime.

Gigi: But it’s a great way to grow. Yeah. Because you also see people who get stuck and won’t take the risk or don’t go for it–and they’re just not really happy with what they’re doing. 

That’s the beautiful thing we have these days–we have options, which is amazing. That was different 30 or 35 years ago, to the degree that we have that now. So it’s so important to, if you do have the dream, like we said, get in there, do some research, and try something.

It can even be–like in our world–a day-long workshop or a half-day or a masterclass online or whatever.

Makena: Yeah. That’s a great point, though. There are people who are–and you will know if you’re listening if you’re in this place–where you do feel stuck or you do feel out of alignment. Like you’re on a road that’s maybe paralleling the road you’re supposed to be on, but it’s not quite it. Or it’s way the heck on the other side of the map. And you’ll know that from the way you feel.

Of course, again, it’s not that every day you’re going to feel incredible when you’re on path, but you will feel that sense of, “Okay, I’m on path. I’m moving in the direction I want to be moving.” If you don’t feel that way, then this is the roadmap. This is the first step to begin to move more in that direction.

And as someone that you’ve really guided and mentored, Gigi–and I know many of our clients feel this way as well–there is this… it’s sort of like, once you step onto that path and you learn the skill set to continue evolving and growing and seeing what else brings you alive and then bringing those elements in, it does become like a dance. It becomes like an unfolding.

Gigi: Mm-hmm.

Makena: It’s like, “Oh, okay, the next unfolding of my life. The next piece. The next dream.” And there are times that are more just kind of riding out what you’ve created so far, and then there are times where you really see the next piece and you stretch for that. But it is a very different flavor of living, I will say that, than when I was completely feeling stuck and off track.

Yeah, that is absolutely true.

Gigi: So get out there and pursue your dreams.

Makena: Yes. And if you have any questions, as always, you can email us at support@wayofthemuse.com. 

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Thank you for being with us.

Gigi: Thank you.

Makena: Thanks, Gigi.

Gigi: Thanks, Makena.

Makena: Okay, bye-bye.

Gigi: Bye.